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#341 odyd

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 10:44 AM

I need to clarify something to the board.

Canadian had a legal/binding bid made in November. The way the deal was structured or has been described is the focus on 1GW. Australia and anything beyond 2016 was considered a lot less valuable or simply a token, in my view.

 

I made mistake to assume that $260M in net income would just come from 1GW of those projects. Now I realize it was irrational to think that, since it would make the other 3GW free.

 

Revenue potential from 1GW must be revised. Using 12.5% (average of 10-15%) GM (7*7 plus 3M) or 52M Opex and 25%

and 500M in borrowing resulting in $20M Interest per year, would produce very conservative $2.70 per share total and around $0.54 per share in 2015 having 20% contribution. I think this is quite reasonable.

Having ITC extended ads value for the rest of the US projects, also having Canadian in the background ads potential for more projects in the time frame.

I wanted to clear this,

 

 


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 11:02 AM

I need to clarify something to the board.
Canadian had a legal/binding bid made in November. The way the deal was structured or has been described is the focus on 1GW. Australia and anything beyond 2016 was considered a lot less valuable or simply a token, in my view.

I made mistake to assume that $260M in net income would just come from 1GW of those projects. Now I realize it was irrational to think that, since it would make the other 3GW free.

Revenue potential from 1GW must be revised. Using 12.5% (average of 10-15%) GM (7*7 plus 3M) or 52M Opex and 25%
and 500M in borrowing resulting in $20M Interest per year, would produce very conservative $2.70 per share total and around $0.54 per share in 2015 having 20% contribution. I think this is quite reasonable.
Having ITC extended ads value for the rest of the US projects, also having Canadian in the background ads potential for more projects in the time frame.
I wanted to clear this,


Good point.

This may explain the flattening of SP now that WS has had time to. (Prbably) also come to the same realization.

Does this change your feeling about holding such a arge percentage of CSIQ, Odyd?


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 11:41 AM

Good point.

This may explain the flattening of SP now that WS has had time to. (Prbably) also come to the same realization.

Does this change your feeling about holding such a arge percentage of CSIQ, Odyd?


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No change to the view, The 3GW which do not contribute to $2.70 are bound to create net income if built.

Adding $0.54 to 2015 and $2.16 to 2016 is great enough, but I think this is going to be yield material anyway.

I expect $4.50 in 2015 if adding sales of projects in UK, China and Japan without Recurrent.  The company can still add projects to that as year goes on. Of course selling 322MW in Canada and 214MW globally during 2015 will place a big expectations for MW replacement in 2016. There is Japan and China and whatever else, but hopefully by then yield will be doing all the buying and electricity generation will start adding to the bottom line. 


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 01:21 PM

More and more I crunch numbers, I stipulate that projects of Recurrent will be yieldco.

This was not discussed here well, but ITC credit is a huge power to add to net income potential.

Let's to some theoretical math. Texas and Cali have around 5.5 sun peak hours a day this gives essentially 2 kwh per year for each watt.

If we extend this generation for 35 years each watt will produce around 35*2kWh or 70kwh in the lifetime of the the project. At 90% this is about 63kWh.

Now move on to project, if I am a buyer at $2.3 per watt, I get dollar for dollar ITC credit of 30%. I have $0.69 times 1GW or $690M in tax credits to apply to tax on the income. divide this by 35 years, we have $19.7M per year in credits.  I am ignoring tax liabilities or 1603 grant right now.

At $0.055 per kWh, I generate 1411M kWh and $77M in revenue. The depreciation for my investment is $65M, leaving me with 12M in income or 15.5%. I have no taxes to pay at all.

This sounds even better for developer holding to a project.

For example interest borrowing for project construction is added to basis of the calculation. I am CSIQ which builds these projects at $2.07 per watt

(10% GM), this is $0.62 plus 0.02 for interest rate. So we have $0.64 ITC credit applied to $2.07 cost,

$77M depreciated at $59M a year, gives around $18M net and no taxes as I have a credit of $18M or so,

The buyer, like utility if they have tax liability from say generating revenue of selling energy, can benefit  on their tax program. Banks can do the same. I guess the tax equity is greater than tax application.

I am not sure if you can logically apply discount to general costs at the 30% rate, but if you could the costs for Canadain would be in line of some $0.02 per kWh, on generation of $0.055, which is amazing.

 

Japan has great FiT, but has 20 years PPAs with curtailment up to 30 days and around 3 hours or almost half in some case potential for power generation. I think the lucrative selling is in Japan, and lucrative holding is in the US. 


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 04:21 PM

Makes sense. Recurrent addition is the "rocket fuel" CSIQ added to help launch their yieldco.

How does them doing yieldco benefit CSIQ shareholders specifically?


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 07:53 AM

I think we maybe having a good news coming out of the Japan, you know how I was talking about 51GW dedicated to PV out of the grid.

Based on the calculations METI presented the number is 61GW now and it goes to 65GW in 2020. By 2030 the number will go to wait for it...140GW

http://techon.nikkei...2701/?ST=pv&P=2


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 07:57 AM

I think we maybe having a good news coming out of the Japan, you know how I was talking about 51GW dedicated to PV out of the grid.
Based on the calculations METI presented the number is 61GW now and it goes to 65GW in 2020. By 2030 the number will go to wait for it...140GW
http://techon.nikkei...2701/?ST=pv&P=2

Oh my what a beautiful find odyd...

Here it is in google translate...

https://translate.go...jhCjaMibl_HWV3g
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:11 AM


$690M in tax credits to apply to tax on the income. divide this by 35 years, we have $19.7M per year in credits.

 

I don't understand this dividing by "x" years.  Tax credits are taken all at once (up front--well first tax year after completion), so no need to divide the credit and discount into the future.  If the company can't take the full credit, find a co-investor who can.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:17 AM

I don't understand this dividing by "x" years.  Tax credits are taken all at once (up front--well first tax year after completion), so no need to divide the credit and discount into the future.  If the company can't take the full credit, find a co-investor who can.

The credit is applied to taxes to be paid. Sure you can get the partner and I mention this, but what would be the urgency if they had yieldco?

You need to offset your EBIT to make it even more attractive.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:25 AM

Time for Mr. Market to readjust everything they knew about CSIQ and it's future. Time
to play catch up to the SPVI forum 😁
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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:30 AM


but what would be the urgency if they had yieldco?

 

Just the time value of money.  Why settle for ~$20M/yr for 35 years when you can get $690M (minus some incentive to tax investor) now?

I'd take the money and run!


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:33 AM

Just the time value of money.  Why settle for ~$20M/yr for 35 years when you can get $690M (minus some incentive to tax investor) now?

I'd take the money and run!

Certainly this is why Google is buying solar projects, beside having big heart for renewables. My only point is that as yield co ITC is massively invaluable. If they going to execute yield cash will be the last concern for them. They will be selling to own company, and they can use some of the credits between yield and themselves. I am sure by now they have a good idea how to handle it. 


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:41 AM

How does them doing yieldco benefit CSIQ shareholders specifically?

For starters, CSIQ will own majority of the yield. This means and distribution will be paid to CSIQ helping EPS.

Second CSIQ will move assets and debt associated with them to yieldco, increasing equity by removing leverage. It would gain equity from sale of the yield on the market.

It will be selling to yieldco instead chasing after buyers. The GM could improve when selling to yield, since yield is about cash flows and depreciation is just that.

Doubles operational power. The setup would empower CSIQ to have double the projects if not more, not worrying about borrowing.

It can sell like it did in Canada ahead of construction, collect all milestones etc, and get limited IR construction loans.

Bottom line a lot.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:48 AM

As long as the developed world remains in this very low interest rate environment, yeildcos are going to remain immensely profitable. With 10 year treasury notes yielding under 2%, globally any asset that can deliver consistent returns is getting bid up. I work a lot with commercial and multifamily properties and that market is just exploding (in select areas) with a big part of that being institutional investors looking to get a hold of property that can yield 4-5% annually. 10 years ago people would have been demanding that the property yield 8-10% and a 5% return wasn't worth your time. 

 

I don't envision us going back to those those higher treasury rates any time soon.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 09:03 AM


How does them doing yieldco benefit CSIQ shareholders specifically?

 

I would add that you have a different universe of investors for a yieldco than a manufacturing/project buildco. 

 

As a result investors are willing to pay more for "simple" yieldco asset--simple in that you can predict cashflows before buying so yieldco is a lot more like buying a bond than buying a stock.  Well obviously it is a stock, but it "performs" more like a bond.  Therefore you are competing more directly with yields of bonds than other stocks.  That brings in a variety of very deep pocketed investors and has the effect of reducing the cost of capital.  At least that is the theory which also seems to be the reality at TERP and other solar yieldcos. 

 

Plus having a ready buyer (even if they pay no more than market rate) for solar projects give project developer/buildco more visibility/certainty.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 09:38 AM

I'll add that a key benefit of having a yieldco is that it makes EPS more stable, predictable, and last for a long time (25-30 years). This is extremely important as we all know now how much the stock can suffer if the street assumes the EPS will "fall off a cliff" if a project pipeline sold for immediate profit  cannot be replenished.

 

Also, explo has provided a deep analysis before why a build-and-retain model provides much more overall return than a build-and-sell model.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 03:20 PM

For starters, CSIQ will own majority of the yield. This means and distribution will be paid to CSIQ helping EPS.
Second CSIQ will move assets and debt associated with them to yieldco, increasing equity by removing leverage. It would gain equity from sale of the yield on the market.
It will be selling to yieldco instead chasing after buyers. The GM could improve when selling to yield, since yield is about cash flows and depreciation is just that.
Doubles operational power. The setup would empower CSIQ to have double the projects if not more, not worrying about borrowing.
It can sell like it did in Canada ahead of construction, collect all milestones etc, and get limited IR construction loans.
Bottom line a lot.

Even better benefits than i thought.

Cant wait for next ER for any updates on their plans for yieldco.

(I will be interested to see if JKS announces their yieldco before CSIQ).

Thx Odyd, Sunny, Disdaniel and Bipv for your detailed replies.


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Posted 10 February 2015 - 07:51 AM

CSIQ As investors begin to make sense of CSIQ’s new outlook for its project business and the backlog of projects, we believe it is worthwhile looking at the opportunity for a build and sell business model as well as a global yield co. We believe a sum of the parts suggests that CSIQ valuation should be $44-$74 depending on how the company monetizes is project assets.
We will be reviewing estimates and valuation assumptions as the company clarifies its project strategy in coming months.

 

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:13 AM

CSIQ As investors begin to make sense of CSIQ’s new outlook for its project business and the backlog of projects, we believe it is worthwhile looking at the opportunity for a build and sell business model as well as a global yield co. We believe a sum of the parts suggests that CSIQ valuation should be $44-$74 depending on how the company monetizes is project assets.
We will be reviewing estimates and valuation assumptions as the company clarifies its project strategy in coming months.

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Thanks for sharing that KK... Very bullish. The highest target ever I believe for CSIQ was low 50's.
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Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:22 AM

Between Northland and Nomura seeing like $100 or so, why would someone sell at 26.20 today? Where is this discomfort coming from? Is investment in solar made by day traders, gamblers and bunch of fundamental geeks, with most people being just clowns?


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