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[greensolar]

http://www.scmp.com/...ping-probe-wine

[nanofrogfish_spf]

To add some commentary to this link-only post...

They targeted the countries that voted against them;

The investigation will affect France, Italy and Spain in particular – countries who voted in support of solar duties, prompting speculation of a Chinese retaliation against individual EU member states.


"Prompting Speculation"...there's no speculation about it...

[greensolar]

http://www.thenewstr...rade-war-looms/

[greensolar]

Does France make any solar panels, Why do they want to protect German solar manufacturers or are they trying to protect their Nuclear Electric Utilities..............



http://www.fbc.com.f...se-wine-probe--


France was the largest individual wine supplier to the nation last year,
with 140 million liters worth US$788 million sold, official data show.

[eysteinh]

Yes they do. Photon international nr 2 2013 page 38 and onwards.

Wafers:S'tille Sa
Cells: MPO energy SAS
Modules c-si: Amysolar SAS
Bosch solar (bosch is trying to sell this factory but workers has protested and unsure what will happen now with tariffs.)
Fonroche Energie SARL
Francewatts SARL
Sillia Energie SAS
Sunpower corp
Voltec Solar SAS

It is small but they have around 579 MW of module production capacity (C-SI)
Including a-si and cigs it is around 600 MW.

So while quite small they do have an industry still.

Germany have around 3.85 GW of module production capacity currently. Italy around 1.5 GW.

[N0mistakes]

That is exactly the type of action China should take. Only silicon tariffs could actually hurt a lot of Chinese solar companies. Wine makes no difference as there are plenty of alternatives. They actually started the original probe right when the solar duties A/D case was started. This should be a non-issue for WTO as there is no doubt that agriculture and wine in particular is subsidized in the EU.

[eysteinh]

Anti dumping charges will not stand, only small anti subsidy charge will stand at best. Or as the french goverment said (source: http://www.fbc.com.f...s-chinese-wine-) “inappropriate and reprehensible”.

[greensolar]

Europe denies wine product subsidies to China

http://www.china.org...nt_29060119.htm

[Pop2mollys]

Ohhh this one would burn....


http://www.reuters.c...E9560A920130607

[explo]

China's strategic shift to focus on a more consumption than export driven economy will give them the strong hand here. China demand will drive US and EU exports in the future. While an imbalance exist today they cannot afford a trade war because they would give away their future. Neither US or EU can risk losing the China market to the other one. All three must sit down and agree. They'll likely conclude that the division of the value-chain that the natural force of the market has created today is what makes sense. I think US was a net exporter to China in this value-chain, which is ironic since they started the protective measures war.

[explo]

Chinese people are getting fed up with fakes from Europe. Especially French wines:

http://in.reuters.co...E95802620130609

[Uncle Chang]

They should just increase the Luxury tax on imported wines, people won't die not drinking wines, and they should crack down on fake wines.

[explo]

The problem for EU is that they hurt themselves when taxing solar panel imports. They need panels and its industry cannot absorb the higher panel cost, since they cut the subsidies. China is only hurting EU when taxing EU wines and luxury cars. They don't really need their people drinking expensive French wines or drive German luxury cars. Plenty of alternatives. The recent probes is meant to get EU from all perspectives to think twice about what they'll gain from this trade war.

Barosso is a proponent of free trade. He also knows what it takes to remain in power. He'll run de Gucht over and ask Belgium to send him someone better or the Belgian commission will get some much less important area to control.

http://www.cableabc....0802494465.html

[greensolar]

A trade escalation perilous for Europe





De Gucht should back down in the solar panel dispute

http://www.ft.com/cm...l#axzz2Vk2TotLd

[Toadiac]

http://www.youngchin...ith-wine-probe/

[greensolar]

China officially opens EU wine probe
http://money.msn.co....s-eu-wine-probe