dydo 1,473 Report post Posted October 3, 2012 Explo, I think companies able to expand their capacity globally will be named to stay around. The ability will come from loans and full, 100% support by banks. Let's put it this way. I do not think that company with low debt is first on the list for survival. I do not think that company with big debt is out of the list. The size will matter, and the brand name as well. Operational capability also. Relationships favor STP, YGE and TSL for the first for consideration. I am not getting the same feeling from CSIQ, JA or ReneSola. Hanwha is Korean, LDK is done, Sunergy has not impact, Jinko in the same boat. DQ does nto exist as far as I am concerned. Add GCL, Hareon and that is the leadership if banking is concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dydo 1,473 Report post Posted October 3, 2012 news release here https://solarpvinvestor.com/tech-news/351-gcl-polys-first-phase-silane-system-successfully-commenced-with-production-of-high-purity-silane-gas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redsolar Report post Posted October 3, 2012 They can use it or they can sell it to the flat panel display markets...which ever way they see fit. Good margins on Silane gas exist right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redsolar Report post Posted October 3, 2012 Odyd, I think you are wrong. Remember, LDK was a glorious company in its good times. And it had great relation ship with banks and politicians. LDK was down...simply because of their capacity incompetence. Same fate is in store for other companies as well. YGE may very well join the incompetence club soon. Their debt is their curse. I don't think banks will throw their money at these zombies...knowing they are not going to get it back. At this moment SOL and CSI looks like the best managed companies so far. If you consider 1.5B$ revenue per year is decent for a tier 1 solar company. CSI already secured half their revenue for the next two years. You can't beat that in this market. SOL, as long as these guy run at more than 70% utilization with positive operating cash flow...should be fine. Just picture yourself...by taking 70% of Europe off the map and calculate the demand vs supply. This does look scary at least in the next 12 months. As other technologies like CIGS start adding capacity...the capacity is only going to increase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dydo 1,473 Report post Posted October 4, 2012 Trying to make an attachment for excel file. Two companies reported Solartech 41% drop in revnue in Q3 versus Q2. Danen 39% Added DelSolar Added Gintech and NSP It looks like revenues are down for Q3 in range of 28 to 40%. Taiwan2012.xlsx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dydo 1,473 Report post Posted October 4, 2012 article from SPVI on PVTaiwan https://solarpvinvestor.com/spvi-news/352-solar-industry-has-a-volatile-future-at-best- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
explo 673 Report post Posted October 5, 2012 Quite interesting article here about how the banks won't, for the sake of Chinese PV industry, take the punch and bury the corpses they backed: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/glut-solar-panels-poses-threat-094403814.html According to the article Chinese companies are reluctant to admit failure and worse the banks that backed the failed companies are also reluctant to admit failure and thus supports continued failing. Result is that both more share holder capital and bank credit losses than necessary occurs when something is failing in China. A bit surprising is that the big banks cannot admit failure and reduce credit losses by taking them early. This might increase the survival chance for the biggest losers (LDK, STP, YGE), like odyd is suspecting, instead of redirecting the production capacity (and possibly brand) to the smaller but more competent management teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dydo 1,473 Report post Posted October 8, 2012 A expected solar is under attack from all corners Forbes, Barrons, Seeking Alpha, Reuters, Bloomberg. There is no a single source from the popular publicists to oppose the public line view. What is not expected, in investing there is an opportunity view, normally opposing the general concept, contrarian approach another words. Not this time. Not a chance for a surprise 2 days before final result for the US duties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dydo 1,473 Report post Posted October 9, 2012 2012 China PV Market: Slow Start but a Strong Ending to ComeShanghai, 9 October 2012. China’s domestic photovoltaic (PV) market made a slow start to the year, with just 720 megawatts (MW) installed in the first half, according to the latest research from IMS Research (recently acquired by IHS Inc. (NYSE: IHS)). However, installations are forecast to surge in the second half, with more than four gigawatts (GW) of PV installations to be completed, taking full year installations to five GW, according to the Q3’12 edition of the China PV Market – Supply and Demand Quarterly report, released in September. In September, China announced its latest PV Development Five-Year-Plan which targets 20 GW of PV systems and one GW of solar thermal power to be completed by 2015. However, this plan did not bring the levels of financial stimulus that were expected. “While old issues like grid-connection and power transmission have still not been solved, new issues emerged in the second quarter of 2012, such as worsening bankability, poor credit conditions and a general slowdown of the Chinese economy,” remarked Frank Xie, IMS Research’s senior PV analyst based in Shanghai. “Many projects are said to have completed the bidding process; however, they are not yet under construction. Integrators are prioritizing projects to be completed by year end, and there will be a huge surge in installations in the final quarter of the year.” 2012 has so far also bought difficult times for China’s huge supplier base and utilization rates remained low as a result of a strong focus on cost control and caution over the ongoing EU trade investigation into Chinese PV products. Average utilization levels for PV polysilicon, wafers, cells and module manufacturers all declined in the third quarter; all were lower than 60 percent. Despite wafer production capacity in China declining in the third quarter, average utilization fell to just 58 percent; as an increasing number of cell manufacturers favored sourcing competitively priced wafers from third parties at a lower cost than manufacturing them in house. Utilization rates are forecast to recover slightly in the fourth quarter in response to the predicted boom in domestic installations. Both inverter shipments and revenues declined in the second quarter of 2012 compared with the previous quarter as a result of weak demand. According to the report, the first half of 2012 saw inverter shipments of just 700 MW, less than half of the amount shipped in the second half of 2011. However, Xie holds a positive view for future inverter shipments in the second half of the year, adding: “The situation is set to improve, and China’s rapidly expanding inverter supplier base is forecast to ship more than four GW of inverters in the second half of 2012.” Researched by IMS Research’s Chinese analysts, the ‘China PV Market – Supply and Demand Q3’12’ was published on 27 September and contains quarterly analysis and forecasts of the supply and demand dynamics of China’s PV industry. 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Guest greensolar Report post Posted October 9, 2012 Completely agree with you, Hatred by US press is unbelievable. I'm wondering if US oil fear mongers get there way on tariffs are they going to send all US listed Solars to single digits... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites