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Guest Bodhi

everyone is talking about it what is the deal and why?

I imagine because its up 385% YTD, and is a brand name american company.

IMO, way overpriced for a company thats posted one quarter in the black

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Guest Bodhi

Does anybody meander into these stocks?  Ticker FNMA and FMCC.

Anyone here from america should know the story of fannie and freddie mac.  I posted about 6 months ago about them right before they want ballistic, to the tune of up some 600% in under 2 months.

The bubble popped on them both, but never fully deflated... and now it appears to be rising again.  Could be a fun ride for any risk takers willing to gamble a small amount.  Meant to post about it yesterday, as they both printed a 4 month high, sorry for that.  Both up another 20%ish today.  I have a portion of my roth401k (peanuts compared to my solar holdings) in FNMA.  Looking to ride it for a double in the coming week or two.  Ultimate momentum stocks

Of course, do your own DD, and GL.

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Guest Xeloris

hmm intersting wish i got fnma at its low .09 cents..    Ya i see BAC just got dinged tonight.. The government is now using these banks as ATM machines now that the government is running out of money

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I know how much we love Seeking Alpha around here but this guy makes the case as well as anyone:

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1547432-why-tesla-is-grossly-overvalued-even-if-everything-goes-terrifically

 

Keep in mind this article was written in July when the share price was around $129. Tesla isn't producing any more cars now than they did then so it's even more grossly overvalued now than it was then.

 

I own puts that expire in 2015. It would be lovely to make enough on those puts to buy a Tesla.....  :))

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Guest Bodhi

hmm intersting wish i got fnma at its low .09 cents..    Ya i see BAC just got dinged tonight.. The government is now using these banks as ATM machines now that the government is running out of money

Up another 20% today.  Crazy

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The recent sell off in IBM provides a fantastic opportunity in my view. I don't think I need to talk about IBM. While it may not provide a solar or miners like returns, it is a blue chip which pays dividend. A boring but solid company. I am expecting it should go up at least to its previous high within next 6 months.

 

Again, someone has explained better than I could.

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1767762-ibm-strongly-consider-on-pullback-with-25-upside-intrinsic-value-220-per-share?source=yahoo

 

 

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Tesla seriously breaking trend line support. Lots of empty space for the potential downward plummet. This could be lovely if you own puts.

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Guest Norse

Tesla will be the worlds biggest car company i 10 years. I am 100% sure of that. Test the car and read their vision.

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Guest sleepyhead

I agree with Norse on this one. It might not be the biggest in 10 years, it might take 12 years or 15 years. But it will be eventually.

 

cls180 - consider cashing in your puts while you are ahead. I am certain that they are producing more cars than before by 10% and will grow a lot quicker from here. They are going to beat analyst consensus by a good margin and that stock is going to go up 20% after earnings on Nov. 5.

 

I have done a lot of research on TSLA, and it is not a good short candidate. Unless there is a big global or US recession, I am fairly confident that any J15 puts you buy are going to expire worthless; even the deep ITM puts.

 

edit: TSLA gross margin excl. ZEV credits went from -4% to 5% to 13% in the last 3 quarters. They are going to do 22% gross margin this quarter and the market is going to flip out. If you want to make money in TSLA you should be buying calls and not puts at these levels.

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Tesla will always be a niche market in that very few people will ever be able to afford their cars. The technology IS superior but unless they can sell a model for $20k profitably, it won't be the largest manufacturer in the world.

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Guest Rice

Tesla will always be a niche market in that very few people will ever be able to afford their cars. The technology IS superior but unless they can sell a model for $20k profitably, it won't be the largest manufacturer in the world.

That's what the wagon/buggy companies told Henry Ford over 100 years ago. Do not underestimate the power of economies of scale.

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I root for TSLA to hit $200+ before the year-end. The time for electric cars has come and will dominate the auto industry faster than most people can imagine, IMHO.

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Guest redsolar

Electric cars and PV Solar ..are match made in heaven.

Tesla is planning to release affordable cars next year. This is only ..just the beginning.

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Guest sleepyhead

Don't kid yourself....

This is a $1000 stock.

 

Yes it is. It will happen within this decade too.

 

What people don't understand is that Tesla is going to release a $35k car in just 3-4 years that will compete with the BMW 3-series as far as performance goes, but will be a lot better. It will compete on price with a Camry, because you save a lot of money on gas and maintenance.

 

Also, never bet against Elon Musk. I never idolized people before in my life (well maybe Michael Jordan when I was really young), but Elon is my idol.

 

And last, but not least here is a quote from Google's Larry Page:

 

"if I were to be hit by a bus today i should leave all my money to Elon Musk."

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Guest sleepyhead

If you don't like Tesla, that is ok.

 

Just please do not short this stock or waste money on long term puts. The only way this stock is going down, barring a black swan event, is in the event of a global recession. In which case you are better off buying puts on the S&P500.

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Guest redsolar

Yes it is. It will happen within this decade too.

 

What people don't understand is that Tesla is going to release a $35k car in just 3-4 years that will compete with the BMW 3-series as far as performance goes, but will be a lot better. It will compete on price with a Camry, because you save a lot of money on gas and maintenance.

 

Also, never bet against Elon Musk. I never idolized people before in my life (well maybe Michael Jordan when I was really young), but Elon is my idol.

 

And last, but not least here is a quote from Google's Larry Page:

 

"if I were to be hit by a bus today i should leave all my money to Elon Musk."

Ya...I love this guy!! Amazing ..showed the world ...how stupid the Auto giants are. The auto giants are grinding the same thing for decades!

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