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  1. 4 points
    LOL this is not good for FSLR and smacks of desperation as it is not well thought out or presented. We have FSLR acknowledging that they have the potential negative impacts due to bifacial modules. They are now going on the attack to try and defend their modules and bifacial by throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated un validated SUGGESTIONS that has zero quantitative analyis as to how it financially impacts the projects and the ROI. This wreaks of a company trying to react to what is now clearly impacting their business significantly. What I see is a bunch of fodder being thrown out because FSLR is being impacted significantly by BiFacial Modules. They have acknowledged that they are at a competitive disadvantage against BiFacial modules in some market(i.e. their primary market of Ground mount systems). They also have acknowledge that Sales have been impacted by BiFacial modules when the tariffs were repealed ont he BiFacial modules. BOS- yep points are accurate but note they do not really address how much an impact it is. Those are also not myths but known facts. Bunch of Fodder Vegetation - What there is no myth there. Mst everyones documentation inlcude differing terrain for reflectivity. No direct relationship as to how much less or more this adds to the costs. All Fodder Nameplate wattage - I have never read any article that states you can take the wattage to the bank. In fact most of the modules do not advertise as a bifacial wattage rather as a monofacial wattage then suggest additive gains based on albeido of differing terrains where installed. Again no myth all fodder. Tilt Angle - yes optimal angles could be changed to optimize front and back gains combined. However for now, the Optimal angle is used for the panel wattage as a mono facing and you get added data from the reflectivity. There is no added land required then, but there could be so that more light reached the ground. But then again, FSLR panels are 20% larger and require 10-20% more land than monofacial and will produce less power. Again fodder as a more learned optimal angles will just produce even more additive power than current name plate and FSLR modules are even worse today for land use and spacing than current Mono facial. Again No financial impacts or detriments identified just a suggestions. Snow - How is that a Bifacial issue? It is infact a Mono issue as well as a bifacial issue. They are suggesting that snow on the ground must be on the top which we know the heat generated will actually melt the snow. Now if you really want to argue this, Snow required cold weather. The CsI performs at it's optimal in cold weather and all the 7% gain in Power that FSLR throws out due to better heat performance is gone as well. This is the worst fodder of them all. Yield - That is right bifacial power estimates are not as accurate as monofacial. But the monofacial spec that is the nameplate being quoted for these panels only has additive power generation on top of the monofacial. This is all really really bad news from FSLR and supports the worst fears presented on the impacts of BiFacial on their business. It is a poor attempt at marketing to try to dampen the impact on First Solars modules as they recognize they are a competitive disadvantage and their entire business is at risk since the company requires that $0.10 per watt gross or more that you have been throwing out as needed to get the $1 a share in EPS per quarter to support their stock price. I would be seriously worried investing in FSLR that the only reason to invest is because the high margins generated from a single protected market that is 80%+ of their business and likely closer to 95% of their Gross income.
  2. 3 points
    As the CN ramps low cost poly, legacy plants will shut down. We have talked about that in the past. OCI is just another example as was Sun Edison, Hemlock Wacker and REC. China was importing 40% of their Silicon needs a year or so ago. With that massive ramp you have been screaming about, they will be importing even less. The market being 140GW conservative with China producing 85% of all product requires 576MT. By 2024 when the Tongwei 290KMT is online for the first full year, China is going to need well over 770KMT. Eventually there will be more Chinese shuttering of the legacy capacities they have in China. It will be all good for solar manufacturers as that means prices will be coming down more. That is all bad news for your dearly beloved company that would be near death if not for the protectionism put in place making us pay higher prices that the rest of the world.
  3. 3 points
    ENPH, the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks to them, I'm paying my house off 4 years early.
  4. 3 points
    SPWR announced a 22Million share offering at their bloated stock price. That is a 15% dilution.
  5. 3 points
    Jinko to add another 5 GW of mono wafer capacity in Leshan "Despite recent figures showing an hoped-for, end-of-year rally in Chinese solar project deployment has thus far failed to materialize, overseas orders continue to boom." https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/11/08/jinko-to-add-another-5-gw-of-mono-wafer-capacity-in-leshan/
  6. 2 points
    Today there are 5 big polysilicon producers in China who account for roughly 70-80% of global supply. Industry economics is now pretty much determined by the competition among them at very similar production costs of $6-7/kg and cash costs roughly $1 below that. All other polysilicon producers (i.e. tier 2 Chinese plus the international players) are pretty much insignificant at this point and have no much bearing on global prices.
  7. 2 points
    Love this pullback. Got in at 2 CAD
  8. 2 points
    Earnings out. Great EPS. Q2 guidance looks very strong compared to Q1 for volume shipments. Gross margins are nice and strong. http://investors.canadiansolar.com/news-releases/news-release-details/canadian-solar-reports-first-quarter-2020-results For the second quarter of 2020, the Company expects total module shipments to be in the range of 2.5 GW to 2.7 GW, including approximately 200 MW of module shipments to the Company's own projects that may not be immediately recognized as revenues. Total revenues are expected to be in the range of $630 million to $680 million, with gross margin expected to be between 18.5% and 20.5%.
  9. 2 points
    I think the results just released are telling you something--but you don't seem to be listening.
  10. 2 points
    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/canadian-solar-and-lightsource-bp-sign-1-2-gw-module-supply-agreement-300999168.html
  11. 2 points
    https://www.rechargenews.com/transition/eu-solar-growth-doubles-in-2019-as-industry-predicts-new-boom/2-1-721563
  12. 2 points
    Lets be clear Roth Capitol quotes PV Info link in their data analysis. I do not think that a major Analyst would use low quality data from PV InfoLink. https://www.pv-tech.org/news/longi-green-energy-revenue-and-profits-fall-in-q3-as-asp-declines-continue Figures from PV InfoLink reported today by ROTH Capital, indicated ASPs are down 44%, since the beginning of the year. Hobo is not an analyst and is making up his own numbers because he can not figure out how CSIQ numbers align with their data. Basically he has no clue on their ASP and none of it matches the companies comments on ASP. His theories in the past have been both right and wrong. More wrong than right in my opinion. That is why he vanished for several years. His theories on the impacts of ASP decline and over capacity in which he claimed Tier 1's would not be impacted back in the credit freeze was wrong. His claims that LDK was a great investment cost him and many on this board lots of red in their investments. Do your own anaylsis and supply supportive data. Klothilde for as much as she is a downside analyst on Csi has data points. I think her analysis of CSIQ ASP is inline with the company and earnings.
  13. 2 points
    Great minds think alike. Hobo is saying $4 EPS easily? " unless the solar industry collapses, that should push EPS above $4.00 easily." Where did I hear suggestions of $4 or more? Oh right on the 14th where I indicated " In fact there is upside to $265M. At 60M shares that is what $4+ on the upside. Am I investing on $4EPS, no, but certain $2 plus is what I am investing on." Or on Monday where I suggested "My god when are people going to realize that CSIQ may gross $850M or more?" The numbers are there and more than 1 person sees the potential. People just need to recognize them.
  14. 2 points
    Yes correct and to that point, her numbers presume zero cost reductions between Jun 2018 and today. In fact CSIQ in the con call indicated costs drop on average 15% a year and they are looking at those costs to drop 10-15% again. That is what she does so often which is to show past costs mixed with present costs to show unfavorable costs in all. She does that knowingly and willingly over and over. She wants you to think that only the module Price dropped and only the wafer cost dropped and nothing in between. If you take that $0.14 and take a 15% cost reduction due to lower material costs such as lower silver consumption, lower glass and steel lower backsheeting, lower energy lower depreciation per watt, you wind up with a processing cost around $0.119 from June 2019. That places an all in cost of $0.119 + $0.074 = $0.1925 or 19.25% gross margins. If you add in another 6 months cost reductions through the rest of 2019 you have a module cost at $.1870 or 21.7% GM Coincidentally these numbers make sense are not off the cuff, they are guiding 19-21% margins and are blaming the lower margins on US projects. "Gross margin is expected to be between 19% and 21%. The lower margin reflects the expected lower margin contribution from project sales in Q4. " The real question I have is what are they paying in tariffs these days? I mean with ASP at $0.239 and a 20% tariff that would put the module cost imported to the U.S. at $0.289 with tariff impacts. The US ASP is far higher pushing $0.40 for high end PERC mono. With a US ASP at the lower end range of $0.36 for high end mono products. That puts a pre tariff ASP at ~ $0.30. Gross profit for the U.S. would then be $0.30-$0.187 = $0.1113. Gross margins to the U.S. would be $0.1113/$0.36 = 31.4% Imagine shipping 1500MW to the U.S. with $0.11 gross per watt. That is $167M. Another 10.5GW shipped with the 21% margins and the $0.239 ASP or $0.052/watt gross you have another $545M. ***Gross from module business alone would be $712M. Goodness gracious 31% or greater gross margins for US shipments. That sounds like FSLR margins she is raving about. I would be shipping tons to the U.S. annually at that kind of margins. Even without the 5% reduction or any reduction in 2020 you have $649M gross profits before any other income. What is she suggesting Opex and interest in 2020? $600M. So worst case scenario there is $50M in profit before taxes and before project sales EPC work etc. You are looking at $1B in revenues at 20% + margins for another $200M. My god when are people going to realize that CSIQ may gross $850M or more? In reality lets say that the ASP is around FSLR guided based on contracts of $0.34. The ASP would be around $0.285 pre-tariff. $0.285-$0.1875= $0.09795 Gross Margins = $0.09795/.342 = 28.6% to the U.S. 28% Freakin US margins. Ship Ship Ship all you can into that market. If you think FSLR is a protected market think again. Imagine the profits if CSIQ starts selling not 1500 MW but 3GW or 4GW a year to the U.S. with the tariff impact. That is what she is overlooking. Gross in the $165-$300M from the U.S. module market alone. The U.S. is a cash cow for the bankable Tier 1 Chinese players as you sublty pointed out the CSIQ comments supporting that.
  15. 2 points
    I did not read the article so cannot comment on it. I imagine Hobo offers logical and analytical support for his outcomes. My view about Sunpower based on results of the company could not be more accurate, yet the market has kept the zombie intact to prove me wrong. My points in my articles were always logical, but logic is not necessarily mother of success in the market, certainly not in a short term. The emotion is. SPWR is splitting its unprofitable business, which I think allows it to be absorbed into fog of nothing in time. In a short term there is an excitement that parts of zero will produce better result than zero. I do not buy it, and I have not bought SPWR having a future for likely a half a decade. Yet the company is still here. Canadian Solar did pretty much everything right, it is one of most profitable companies in solar universe for period of 10 years, next to FSLR. I am sure someone could do a decade analysis on this to support my off cuff statement. Optics show that under $15 CSIQ is much more attractive than FSLR. Yet the chances are FSLR will be gaining here and FSLR will linger down to $12. CSIQ transitioned every piece of plan into action, modified it but managed. Since the prophecies about Canadian plants sold and disintegration of CSIQ as inevitable soon after, they won in Japan, won in Brazil, won in Mexico. Finally, they won in the US despite another prophecy about leading to bankruptcy acquisition of Recurrent. Still for someone who got up from a decade-long coma and looked at the company today it remains as never fulfilled opportunity. This is the issue for solar as whole. A paradise for traders but nightmare for long term investors.
  16. 2 points
    Once again, I will take the opinion of Finlay Colville over a guy who seems to have little understanding of the company. https://www.pv-tech.org/editors-blog/pv-celltech-2020-to-explain-huge-shift-in-pv-production-landscape "The success of First Solar’s Series 6 roll-out in the past 12 months in particular must come as even a pleasant surprise to the most optimistic proponents within the company. It is perhaps the most significant technology move undertaken ever in the PV industry, for a whole host of reasons that I will not go into here, as many of these have been discussed in features I have written on PV-Tech over the past couple of years. Let’s frame this to get some perspective however. Imagine you are a 2-3 GW scale module supplier today to the sector, and not based in China. How to you compete with a 100-GW China machine working at arms-length to own the industry globally? Not just from a cost standpoint, but a technology-one now that the industry has made the critical multi-to-mono transition. Now add in here having a company-specific manufacturing/equipment/materials based PV module technology that requires 100% of the R&D and factory optimization has to be done in-house. And finally – go spend $1billion setting up multi-GW scale factories across different countries/regions globally, get the factories running within 12 months, and secure firm orders within 6 months that cover output from all factories for the next two years? Oh, and not to mention one more thing… Make sure module ASPs are 10-20% above global averages, and blended production costs (or COGs) are as good (or better) than the best-in-class c-Si producer in China. Okay – this is what First Solar has done in the past few years with its Series 6 technology. In looking at all the investments by all the companies in PV manufacturing over the past couple of decades, I cannot recall anything that comes remotely close to this in terms of success."
  17. 2 points
    Analysts new EPS estimations for Canadian solar: Q4/2019 - $1.02/share Annual 2019 - $2.77/share Q1/2020 - $0.65/share Annual 2020 - $3.23/share
  18. 2 points
    reference the transcript on Seekin Alpha https://seekingalpha.com/article/4306016-canadian-solars-csiq-ceo-shawn-qu-q3-2019-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single This is what they said about margins for 2020 Yan Zhuang ‘But our shipment volume will go up, which will compensate for the slight percentage down on the margin side,” Currently dropping from around 22-23% to your 15% is not a slight drop. That is a 30% drop. So where are margins? And what might be a slight drop? Here are comments that can give you suggested target costs. Your using current costs for next year is not reasonable because that suggests a 12.5% margin today and they are nearly double that. “Gross margin is expected to be between 19% and 21%. The lower margin reflects the expected lower margin contribution from project sales in Q4.” “ primarily driven by the slippery of the project sale closing. And a smaller part is on the module side, because of the price dropping.” “There’s also a project that’s low margin that’s going to close in next quarter, it’s called McBride project. That’s a $130 million with a low margin sale.” These comments indicates that module margins are higher than 21%. It suggests margins are in the 22-24% range for module as the low margin project is being blamed for most of the margin drop from Q3. Currently in Q3 margins was 23% + CVD reversals. In Q4 backing out the $130M McBride project at say 5% margins, they are looking at what appears to be 22.7% margins for modules. A Q3 suggested ASP in the $0.25 range would yield an average cost of $0.1925/W at 23% margins. That is inline with their comments a couple quarters back that their costs were slightly under $0.20. If you look at a 10% “organic” reduction for 2020 on the $0.1925, they are at $0.173. The 20% reduction puts costs around $0.155. If you take the 10% cost reduction and target an ASP of say $0.21, you have 17.5% margins or midrange between your guidance and Q4 margins. Depending on ASP and actual costs you can see a bias to the upside for margins as more likely than a bias to the downside that you are suggesting
  19. 2 points
    I hear constantly these "concerns'' from different "experts" for the last 5 years. And every time it all the same - BAD. It is already ridiculous. In the meantime company delivers good results and adjusts perfectly to all UPs and Downs of their industry's cycles, increasing its value (book value in 2014 - $11.78 and today it is $22.44/share) and maintaining profitability. Period.
  20. 2 points
    A pretty good evidence how investing in solar has zero logical predictability. FSLR earning cents with PE of 60s and Canadian with market cap lesser than bankrupt Sunpower.
  21. 2 points
    Read the PR's carefully, your April PR is an agreement to sell the plants to Nebras. MVA PR is Nebras announcing it has completed the transaction. " announced today the signing of an agreement for the sale of its 80% interest in a 482.6 MWp portfolio of contracted solar projects in Brazil to Nebras Power Investment Management B.V. , a Dutch affiliate of Nebras Q.P.S.C. " MVA PR " Nebras Power Investment Management, a Dutch affiliate of Nebras Power, has announced the acquisition of an 80 per cent stake in a portfolio of four major solar projects in Brazil. " It basically means it took 6 months from the announcement of the intent to sell to Nebras to all the terms financing and signatures required to be completed. Now CSIQ can book the sale in the Q4 Earnings and start counting the sales of modules and services as revenue
  22. 2 points
    And there's this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/10/29/huge-battery-investments-drop-energy-storage-costs-threaten-natural-gas-industry/amp/ Storage is the missing piece to really make the demand for renewables explode.
  23. 2 points
    Assuming First Solar winds down the systems business and only sells modules to 3rd parties, this means: 2020 - 3rd party module sales of 5GW at 34 cents with a 22 cent cost -> $600M gross profit - $300M OPEX = $300M pretax + around 500MW of systems. 2021 - Assuming yields improve and efficiency goes up to 450W/module leading to a cost of 20 cents. Nameplate capacity increases to 1.4GW/factory or 7.7GW total shipments. With an ASP of 33 cents (already signed contracts) -> $1B gross profit - $300M OPEX = $700M pretax. 2022 - Copperless modules at 500W, nameplate capacity at 1.55GW/factory, 8.5GW total shipments, cost at 18 cents. In addition, FSLR will start to get another $2/share of cash flow due to the factories depreciating. The company is going to be a cash cow over the next 10 quarters and should have plenty of reserves for when it steps out from tariff protections.
  24. 2 points
    Do you realize that First Solar counts warranty and shipping as a COGS while the c-Si companies consider it OPEX? Also, the company had module revenue of $371M and that appears to be for around 1GW of panels. So the actual numbers are likely higher than your calculation. With yields at 95% and efficiency ~17.4%, there is plenty of room to get the costs down. The factories have been built and utilization is at 100%. Now the improvements can begin. Degradation is the bane of PERC cells and when FSLR is able to remove copper and improve CdTe degradation rates, that will be a huge deal and should allow FSLR to sell panels at a premium to silicon. https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2019/nrel-first-solar-collaboration-improves-thin-film-solar-cells.html
  25. 2 points
    Well, my "dramatic" outburst was pretty on point. I don't claim to be a genius or even wholly correct, it's just this happens about every quarter. More of the same, kicking the can down the road. Wait for next quarter! Good times are coming! Having said that... I didn't have quite as negative a take on the conference call. Sure, there are some obvious headwinds they were clear on. Once again, I came away feeling like things are on track overall. At the same time, it seemed pretty obvious to me they're gonna miss 2019 earnings by the .50 below guidance they set us up for, because of Japan. I suspect they didn't want to lower guidance on the back of this terrible looking quarter to make the report look even worse. It'll be much easier to stomach a .50 EPS miss in February when they're also able to guide 2020 margins and revenue which should look very nice and at the same time have a juicier Q1 number to accompany assuming the Japanese situation works itself out by then as they expect. So the EPS miss will potentially be ignored at at that point. I enjoy reading all the commentary and math on here, but you know, I come away from all of this and that thinking this is totally in the hands of big money and what story they want to write. Do they 1) roll with the Klothilde thought that 2020/2021 look highly predictable due to the pipeline and order book being full - with an upward trajectory, thus sending the stock price up over the next year or so? or 2) do they start thinking about 2021/2022 and Series 7 and panic that bi-facial is going to chew them up? Either case can justifiably be made. So i'll continue to feel like I'm in a casino here and at the mercy of whatever big money decides to do with the stock.
  26. 2 points
    We don't know that. Last quarter the company unexpectedly announced the sale of the Cove Mountain projects and Muscle Shoals. The company also shipped 1.4GW of panels but only accounted for around 600MW in sales. Perhaps some of the missing 800MW will be accounted for this quarter. Earnings could be all over the place and are not indicative of how the company is performing. The most important thing will be the updates regarding the factories. If yields improve from 91% to near 97% that would mean great things. And today's announcement seems to indicate the nameplate capacity has increased to 1.3GW due to the update mentioned last conference call. Also, the company hinted that the SCE plant sales could be pushed into 2020. If that happens then current year guidance would be lowered a bit. So to sum up, earnings could be all over the map but I am guessing the analysts probably overestimated the quarter again. Regardless, though, the long term outlook will likely get rosier due to the increased throughput.
  27. 2 points
    ??? So I take it you cannot explain with your own words why the analysts are underestimating earnings big time. And it seems you believe some of the anonymous posters on that board know much more about the inside scoop than the analysts covering the company. Just a word of caution. I've seen that message board and judging by the very high level of activity there in comparison to other solars it seems to me that there are people out there trying to create a hype around this company. JMHO.
  28. 2 points
    Well I tend to side with the GCL guy, i.e. Imo China installations in Q4 will probably come in way below expectations and installations over the next few years will be reduced. the news on government trying to get electricity rates down also simply means less funds for legacy and new solar plants and longer time to get grid parity dynamics in motion. Globally PV will probably grow at 5-10% per year. Since capacities at all steps are being expanded at much faster rates I expect oversupply to increase and margins to drop. In the short term (i.e. Q3-Q4) JKS and CSIQ may actually benefit from cheaper upstream component prices but going into Q1 and Q2 their margins will probably shrink again. DQ's ASP and margin will be hit as well since we have quite a lot of new polysilicon supply coming online into Q1. Further I speculate China (industry and government) is now ready to price OCI and Wacker out of the Chinese market by lowering prices in 2020 and lending financial assistance to key players to withstand a string of unprofitable quarters. I see blood in my crystal ball. Regarding the delisting thing this may be a good opportunity (excuse) for JKS to finally crash the stock and take the company private. Only reason why it hasn't happened yet is cuz they needed the yearly secondaries to fund their expansion. Some of my thoughts...
  29. 2 points
    You missed my comments on capacity roll over. This industry is getting 4 years at best for use on Technology before it becomes non competitive. Right now in China Capex is around $100M per GW if you believe the data given in con calls. If you look at JKS expansion over the past 2 years it looks to be closer to $0.20 per watt .To do capacity expansions they need to spend in the range of $300-$500M annually. Right now they generate roughyl $100M a year cash from depreciation. Most companies are not pulling down another $200M+ in profits per year. Thus they are in a negative cash burn as they have been since the inception. That means they have to either dillute or take on debt or both. The both comment is in fact the case. Just look at JKS debt. They spun off the power unit in late 2016. In January 2017 they had 892M in debt. http://ir.jinkosolar.com/static-files/e557889b-2f96-4647-8383-683393c23d98 They now have added 5GW of Capacity and $1Billion in debt as of Q2. http://ir.jinkosolar.com/static-files/8b714b64-4236-4e82-904a-eb19a183faa0 Cash on hand in the same period grew from $400M to $700M. That places $700M net debt. . JKS also has done secondaries to the tune of a couple hundred million. They also have received a couple hundred million in cash generation from asset depreciations and another hundres + million in reported net profit. This basically points to taking on $1B in debt to pay for 5GW or capacity or $0.20 a Watt Capex. So while you say they are profitable, during what has been considered good times, they have burned $500M a year in cash to get to where they are. They are still going to burn cash as they have to constantly expand and expire capacity. As a result they will need to keep accessing the debt and equities markets. If this ever dries up, then they will be in trouble. The reasons STP LDK and YGE have gone under was their access to capital in China dried up and their ability to service the debt in China stopped.
  30. 2 points
    Great big picture read for clean energy: http://rameznaam.com/2019/04/02/the-third-phase-of-clean-energy-will-be-the-most-disruptive-yet/
  31. 2 points
    Well the RMB depreciated by 1.4% over the past week. You would expect to see the average ASP decline within that range. When you subtract out the 1.4% devaluation of the RMB, those drops do not look that bad. https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CNY&view=1W Those numbers look very promising for downstream module producers. The trends are necessary to reach True grid parity with storage in most of the world and especially in China. By my estimates they are making Mono Perc modules for about $0.20 now. That is based on the $0.11 for Chinese Perc cells. That $0.23 China ASP with that manufacturing cost is 15% margins. That foreign average ASP of $0.25 is greater than 25% margins. The U.S. is the higher price range so even that market is likely more profitable than any market around even with the tariff. That U.S. market has surged and has price increases due to a rush to get projects in under the ITC planned reduction in 2020. Looking at those numbers, I only see positives for the next 6 months for the module manufacturers like CSIQ which had improved margins and JKS which is likely to beat their margin guidance.
  32. 2 points
    Right now CSIQ the core MSS is running over 22% gross margins. This does not include Systems sales from Japan. As far as Japan projects, they have 90MW already in operation for sales. They also have an additional 120MW to be completed in 2019 and 2020 along with 187MW in 2021 and beyond. These numbers are around 40-50MW above the inital Japan projects MW schedule from a year ago. That indicates most of the projects of 150MW a year are still the higher FIT. That is a nice buffer for the next 2 to 3 years that will likely add and extra $150M in gross a year at a minimum.
  33. 2 points
    Another Guangfu article on the power plant disaster in China: http://guangfu.bjx.com.cn/news/20190806/997796.shtml Interesting bit of information is that loans for power plants usually carry a 3-5 year grace period during which only the interest needs to be paid. This may be a key reason why we haven't heard of jinko power liquidity issues yet. You guys be careful now, this is a ticking time bomb for JKS that can go off in 2 minutes or 2 years, we don't know. Keep your eyes and ears open for the slightest news that may point to issues at jinko power, you don't want to be caught on the wrong foot...
  34. 2 points
    Expired SSL certificate caused the security risk message. Site is now restored. Thanks
  35. 1 point
    monograde in China 8:) https://www.energytrend.com/solar-price.html
  36. 1 point
    No risk, or to be exact, I do not see one. They need exposure and access.
  37. 1 point
    JinkoSolar to Report Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2019 Results on March 13, 2020
  38. 1 point
    That is going to be the next hot Xmas item, the Corona Doll complete with accessorised N95 masks
  39. 1 point
    I appreciate the word of caution, but you are neglecting some mitigating factors. They are expanding their efforts to penetrate the European residential market. For example, just this morning they announced they just signed a new cooperation deal with a roof manufacturer in Germany to provide in-roof PV components. So they know they don't want to stay US-centric. Also, the US residential market will continue to grow, as other states pass mandates similar to the California one requiring PV installations on new residential housing. And not all inverters are created the same. Yes, the Chinese can come in with cheaper units. But will they have the same connectivity as the Enphase ones (where the ASICs are heavily patented)? That would require patent infringement or other intellectual property theft--certainly something China is known for, but nevertheless something they'd have to retro-engineer first, and that takes time. Finally, a currently completely overlooked market is their completely off-the-grid solution for rural areas in undeveloped countries (Africa, India outside the cities). That, too, is coming, and is completely separate from their offerings for the developed rooftop market. So the question becomes, how much farther do they have to run? And here the honest answer is, of course, no one knows. But currently, their prospects are good. They've proven their technology, and they have a head start on the competition. I can easily see the stock eventually heading to $100+, based on their expanding into the European and off-grid markets. If they pull that off (and that's their plan), they'll have the profits to justify that share price. If they don't, they won't, and I will be monitoring the news for any indications those markets are not growing as expected. And of course, there will undoubtedly be pullbacks along the way. So I am not a blind cheerleader for the stock. Indeed, I have just today taken profits in it again, and currently own only one small trading position (in case they continue to go higher before pulling back). (My trading approach actually has me holding only small amounts of a stock at its all-time high, as that's the time it's most vulnerable to quick reversals.) But I am certainly ready to pounce and aggressively buy any pullbacks, even small ones. As you say, Q4 results and FY20 guidance will be key. And I anticipate both will be excellent. For the next 12 months, at least, I think this stock will continue to be a trader's dream, with frequent fluctuations around a steadily increasing stock price due to increasing profits from expanding markets. After that, who knows? Perhaps the trend will continue. Perhaps not, and it will be time to look for another trading stock. But for now, the sun is out, and it's time to make hay!
  40. 1 point
    Some candid talk about the dire situation of Chinese power plants. http://guangfu.bjx.com.cn/news/20200106/1033849.shtml 200GW built. 150GW out of those have not entered the subsidy list and don't get any subsidy whatsoever. Resale value of plants outside of the subsidy list is being calculated based on the desulfurized coal tariff. This leads to prices that are 1/3 the initial investment or lower. At the present nobody wants to buy a plant outside the subsidy list and nobody wants to sell either given the lousy pricing. Feel free to believe this doesn't affect CSIQ and Jinko Power you guys.
  41. 1 point
    They have big qoq cash swings because of the project nature of the business, specifically in Q3 they spent a lot of cash on the build out of the SCE projects which they plan to get paid for in Q4. End of year net cash guidance is 1.7-1.9BN: https://s2.q4cdn.com/646275317/files/doc_financials/2019/q3/Q3-2019-Earnings-Call-Presentation-FINAL.pdf But I figure you know all that already 😉 1800M + 350M (2020 earnings) + 250M depreciation = 2400M = $23/share A fair valuation at the end of 2020 imho would require adding the above net cash to whatever valuation you assume from earnings. You may deduct some to account for capex but you would have to raise your valuation of operations by at least the same amount assuming they only expand capacity at positive NPV. Also whatever is left of project assets end of 2020 needs to be added assuming this monetizes 1:1 as cash at 0 margin. As you can see it's not as simple as coming up with an EPS figure and slapping a PE of X on it. This is also the reason why FSLR has been trading at relatively high valuations relative to peers, the market values the net cash on balance sheet.
  42. 1 point
    I found this quote from the con call interesting a the time. It was from Widmar. https://seekingalpha.com/article/4298952-first-solar-inc-fslr-ceo-mark-widmar-q3-2019-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single " So we have many levers still to go around Series 6, but I'm not pulling to rest without thinking through. The team is doing a great job to think about use the word Series 7, whatever you want to call the next evolution of the technology where that's on top of mind for us. And we have -- one of the nice things that we have always had is we've had our advanced research team in California, that's always been out in front of the game and looking at other potential technologies and capabilities, and we've made investments over the years and early investments in 6 and made investments with monocrystalline and anti to understand that technology. We've made investments to study prospects. So we're in front of the game, and we're always looking at what can we do to take our technology to the next level. We are looking at the next-generation technology; we have to.
  43. 1 point
    Nebras Power Investment Management, a Dutch affiliate of Nebras Power, has announced the acquisition of an 80 per cent stake in a portfolio of four major solar projects in Brazil (482.6 MW) from Canadian Solar. https://www.powerengineeringint.com/2019/11/01/nebras-power-acquires-majority-stake-in-brazilian-solar-projects/
  44. 1 point
    My model: FSLR ASP $0.345 and appx 1075MW of modules 60/40 split S6/S4 645MW S6 430MW S4 Gross margins modules 39.8% Revenue $371.2 modules Gross Profits $371.2*.398=$147.8M Gross Profits less $80.0M reversal plus $6.0M ramp = 73.8M S4 Module costs = $0.300 S4 gross/watt = $0.345-$0.300 = $0.045 S4 Gross profit = 430*.045=$19.3M S6 Gross profit = $73.8-$19.3=$54.5M S6 Gross per Watt = $54.5/645 = $0.0845 S6 Costs = $0.345-$0.0845 = $0.261 S6 margins = $0.0845/$0.345 = 24.5% margins Based on their indication on deferred revenue recognition (con call) I assume the 26 cts above is roughly their Q2 production cost. Based on cost progression guidance given in Q4 18 con call Q4 production cost is approx. 14% below Q2, i.e. 22.4 cts. This should be reflected in Q1 20 numbers. In summary I see costs minimally above my own expectations but deviation is irrelevant given their strong cost reduction momentum.
  45. 1 point
    There are some other intangibles going for ENPH -- IQ8 will allow system to work during power outages without batteries. Their complete Ensemble package with batteries will be a perfect answer for those in CA in the dark as we speak. They make more power from efficiencies on the same panel than string inverters. They have a far lower failure rates and warranty claims vs competitors. Ease and speed of installation is also much better. They just opened a plant in Mexico, eliminating the tariff concerns of Chinese manufacturing. Their pricing is coming down, continuing to get closer to string setups. Totally anecdotal, but installers of both systems rave about the ease and quality of ENPH systems. I have done well as an investor on both SEDG and ENPH and have both systems on my roof. ENPH is just better in every way -- even their monitoring app is superior. They made a huge run from .76 to over $35 and have been pushed down to $23 with no negative news. Earnings are next week and should beat. Not sure about $80 any time soon, but they still only have a small slice of the market, but it is growing every quarter.
  46. 1 point
    If delisting was the reason for today's sale off, then why FSLR and SPWR dropped the most? Only JKS, SOL and DQ are main candidates for this stupidity, CSIQ is Canadian company, with production sites in many countries (besides China). And Qu is Canadian citizen. As per cnbc comments today, delisting is a total BS, it is impossible to accomplish. They can prohibit pension funds to invest in Chinese companies, and that is all. I still think a number of factors played this week here: Uncertainty about China Q4, End of Q3, and Market repricing, because major indexes reached the new highs last week.
  47. 1 point
    When it comes to data points and trends Kloth is generally accurate.
  48. 1 point
    Jinko winning another tender in China for 80MW of 320W mono PERC modules. They bid at 1.83 yuan/W or $0.227/W ex VAT. http://guangfu.bjx.com.cn/news/20190906/1005319.shtml Some will say this is horrible, some will say this is great. And that's perfectly fine.
  49. 1 point
    I think that 30% GM is much to low. I believe their margins are higher pushing the costs to produce 10-20% lower than you are modeling. With future cost to construct decreasing, it is possible to offset that and maintain good double digit margins.
  50. 1 point
    Agreed that IRRATIONAL exuberance is always a bad idea when investing. But today's report gives plenty of reason for RATIONAL exuberance.


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