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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 8:36am

Citi upgrades downstream players

I agree 100% with their analysis ...

Good for CSIQ...not so good for SOL....

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 3:11pm

Powerful upgrades by Citi...downstream solars really outperforming today;

FSLR +7.27%
CSIQ +6.20%
SPWR +4.36%

Here's what the Citi analysts are looking for;

The analyst notes that the stocks Citi is recommending have two common themes:
  • Heavy downstream exposure.
  • They have or are gaining exposure globally in sustainable growth regions.

I think they just described CSIQ perfectly...expect this out-performance of downstream solars to continue...


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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 6:37pm

I agree 100% with their analysis ...

Good for CSIQ...not so good for SOL....

I like FSLR/CSIQ, but now I am worry because Citi's upgrade. My experience tells me that it is time to sell.

I don't like STP, but because Citi said "sell", so I will keep my eye close on it.

Why did you say "not so good for SOL"?

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 10:05pm

Personally I believe SOL is best play.... One of highest rated modules and they production cost is very low. Management kept debt at reasonable levels.... And they look like they will be one of first solars to be profitable is year

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 10:29pm

Maybe nobody clicked the link... based on Citigroup, he upgraded U.S. companies SPWR, FSLR, WFR and AEIS to buy, and downgraded to SELL China based STP, and put on hold China based TSL and YGE. He clearly is bearish on China based companies. And he made no mention of CSIQ or SOL as the original poster implied.

The fact remains that SOL management has been perfect in timing the market with their expansion. They have done everything at the right time. With poly at $20-$30/kg in 2013, they will have a massive pricing advantage over anyone. Add to that their technological breakthrough with Virtus II, and you have the perfect storm. IMO, SOL could double their module and wafer capacity in 2013, with the best margins in the industry.

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Wednesday, February 6th 2013, 10:40pm

Maybe nobody clicked the link... based on Citigroup, he upgraded U.S. companies SPWR, FSLR, WFR and AEIS to buy, and downgraded to SELL China based STP, and put on hold China based TSL and YGE. He clearly is bearish on China based companies. And he made no mention of CSIQ or SOL as the original poster implied.

The fact remains that SOL management has been perfect in timing the market with their expansion. They have done everything at the right time. With poly at $20-$30/kg in 2013, they will have a massive pricing advantage over anyone. Add to that their technological breakthrough with Virtus II, and you have the perfect storm. IMO, SOL could double their module and wafer capacity in 2013, with the best margins in the industry.




Agree 100%...

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Thursday, February 7th 2013, 5:05am

Wow, I guess you can interpret things anyway you want. But twisting things to make you feel better may not be the best way to approach investing. Read the article again, it says nothing about Chinese vs. US...it was about downstream vs. upstream. Do you really think anyone with an open mind would interpret this any differently, just because you say so? And btw, where are all of CSIQ’s projects? And how come no mention of those high margin US and Canada projects that will be 60% of total revenue this year?...I think that qualifies them as a downstream company...like a first solar but with better modules.

I think it would be a good idea to really read and listen to what Citi and others are saying (like Nomura who just upgraded CSIQ to buy with a $6.90 PT), because it’s what the market is looking at. And right or wrong, how the market votes is the only thing that really matters.

Some of the posters’ repeated, feeble and obviously desperate attempts at trying to discredit the company’s management and accomplishments falls on deaf ears in the large-funded investment community. They actually look at earnings potential, believe it or not...how much...how visible...and how steady. I’ve already well documented all this for CSIQ.

I normally don’t respond to people who already have their mind made up, with obvious agendas, and it does seem personal against both the company and myself. It’s amazing how much time and effort goes into trying to knock down another company that the poster supposedly doesn’t even own (maybe representing someone with a large short position?). How does that possibly help the SOL investment? And I don’t really care either...I’m not trying to convince anybody of doing anything...makes no difference because the market is much bigger than the small fry here, including myself. I have no desire to waste all my time trying to attack SOL or any other company...and believe me those that are throwing the stones are living in glass houses

But this reply is actually intended for the open-minded investors without personal agendas; let me make it clear I have no ill will towards SOL! And those that own it...I wish you luck. All these companies performance is tied together to some extent, so what’s good for one is typically good for all. I actually think they are a good company and will do well going forward. And when the conditions are right, I may even buy some some day...because this market is about making money, not about holding a grudge. And the only reason I ever even bring up SOL (and it’s not often) is because of the repeated attacks on CSIQ and comparisons to SOL at every turn...and somehow turning just about every discussion on every board (especially the CSIQ board) into a pump-SOL thread, all by 1 or 2 posters. So my advice to the others, when reading all this stuff consider the source, and then do your own DD before making any decisions.

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Thursday, February 7th 2013, 6:45am

You did the "interpreting" while I posted a FACT. And the fact is that Citigroup upgraded ONLY U.S. based companies and downgraded China based STP and has China based TSL and YGE at hold with "challenging industry fundamentals”. And another FACT that Citigroup made no mention of CSIQ or SOL as your original post implied.

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Thursday, February 7th 2013, 7:07am

I do not think Citi upgraded anyone, did they had those on neutral before anyway? Neither SOL nor CSIQ were named in the upgrade. CSIQ is more of downstream than SOL of course it is. I also like that global exposure means something (read Export Data). This is why I chuckle because ReneSola, can be argued as the top shipper.

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